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Unemployment Rate
AnonymousUser1234Aug 24, 22
Tens of millions or even hundreds of millions of people were unemployed in the Great Depression. When the stock market crashed, failure of government policies, bank failures, the collapse of money supply, and the collapse of world trade due to the Smoot-Hawley Tariff in 1929 and the 1930s, many people in the world in the Great Depression are unemployed and/or losing their jobs. When the Great Depression ended in 1939 probably because of the world war, employment rate started going up again, and the economy was stable.
But starting in 2020, the Covid-19 pandemic, people lost their jobs, the unemployment rate started going up again, when the Covid-19 lockdowns and restrictions ended, the economy started growing, and many people got employed again.
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  • Campbell C 184664
    Employers in many industries are crying out por sdtaff without much success. is it bercause the wages beng offered are too low? Or is that the benefits offered on the dole are a better option? Whatever ahppened to the idea of working for the dole?
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    • Stu J
      There is a category that should be included in employment stats: Those who dont want to work and think the state owes them a living!!!!
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      • Tupulua S
        Yes unemployment is high everywhere, every country. Government need to look at big NGO and Big Companies who are twisting the law and pay the workers "SLAVERY RATE". Even working conditions for some workers are pissed poor. These NGOs and Companies are making lots of money. Tell me, why would I work for Slavery Rate. Stop blaming Covid 19 lockdown. So I challenge any politicians or anyone for that matter Live for $300 a week for 6 months Family size of 4
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        • Priscilla R 316016
          I will believe that we have an employment crisis when there is no-one on newstart.
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          • Empress
            I think the Covid thing was like a war without military fighting. It put the economy back for us to start again. All the economy is, it's a giant circle. We work, we pay, we pay tax, the government is supposed to provide services. Businesses are supposed to prosper and reward their hard working employees. The government should be there for the whole country and every citizen, but all we have are criminals. I don't even want to speculate on the future.
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            • Robert L NZ
              WE HAVE IN NZ MORE JOBS THAN THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO WORK EVERY I GO I SEE SIGNS WORKERS WANTED NO SKILLS REQUIRE. WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THOSE WORKERS THAT LOST THEIR JOBS DUE TO COVID????? THE OTHER WEEK THEY WERE LOOKING FOR 2000 WORKERS AT AUCKLAND AIRPORT. IF YOU CANT WORK DUE TO A DISABILITY OR HEALTH PROBLEMS OK. OTHERWISE THE REST SHOULD GET A JOB, IF THEY TURN DOWN 3 JOBS PUT THEM IN THE ARMED SERVICES FOR 5 YEARS. THERE ARE JOBS OUT THERE EVEN FOR THOSE OVER 65. WE SHOULD BRING IN MORE IMERGRANTS TO FILL THE STAFF SHORTAGE. IF PEOPLE WERE WORKING WE WOULD HAVE LESS RAM RAIDES AND ROBBERIES BY YOUNG PEOPLE.
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              • Kathy C 90112
                So stop the vax mandates for employment, problem solved,
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            • Robyn P 598879
              I would like to know how the government determines the unemployment rate. I have been told that if a person only works 2 hours a week they are deemed as employed. I don’t know if this correct but if it is then the government has questions to answer. A person cannot live on 2 hours of wages a week. I believe the government is telling porkys.
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              • Paula J 395266
                Is there a question here, or a point?
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                • mary c
                  This really has nothing to do with the Discussion topic but i always wonder why on earth anyone wants to become the PM of any country. What a heinous job- i wouldn't want it for any amount of money. I think i'd resign within the first 24 hours!!
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                  • Bung,
                    There are more jobs in Australia currently than those looking for work. Tradespersons are required urgently, particularly in areas of natural disaster, floods for example. Elsewhere the Government is looking to chage rules regarding pension for older Australians wanting to return to work they are being called on by many employers. Hospitality vacancies everywhere. There are MANY positions in many areas for many people looking for work. Farmers looking for employees , the list goes on and on.
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                    • Paula J 395266
                      I can't walk through my local shopping centre without seeing a sign for staff wanted, so anyone not working today doesn't want to, in which case stop "job seeker" because clearly they aren't.
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                  • Margaret C 68385
                    There IS work if you WANT to work. I see signs everywhere. Our farmers are screaming for help to harvest their crops. Unfortunately for some, work is a dirty word and they should be denied the free handout. Despite moving around the country with the military, I always had a job.
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                    • Paula J 395266
                      I agree.
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                  • Macca
                    There are many retails/ food shops that can not get stay. Some people believe they are entitled and do not have to work. I accept there people unemployable but many other can do something. Time for the Government to get fair dinkum. Casual workers are doing something.
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                    • lynda e 390007
                      HEAPS of jobs going age care crying out for help even supermarkets can't get staff there are heaps of jobs and the work force is tired of carrying the load for those that just don't want to work.
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                      • Christine M 323842
                        How many full time positions do you reckon there are in a supermarket ( apart from the self assisted check outs)? Aged care, yes there is work available, but don’t you think this should be for well trained, well paid specialist workers with a calling to work with our vulnerable elderly?
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                      • lynette t 333563
                        I worked in Aged care and the pay rate was terrible. Less than $20 an hour. If it wasn't for the mileage we were paid to travel to all the places it would definitely not be worth it. I did really like most of the clients I had though. Hopefully the wage has gone up recently.
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                      • mary clynette t 333563
                        Lynette i don't think the wages have gone up to anywhere NEAR what Health Care Assistants/Carers deserve and are worth- well not here in NZ. They look after some of the most vulnerable and disabled people- doing important personal and unpleasant intimate cares and if they get it wrong there can be serious consequences. It disgusts me how little they are valued. My husband's assisted living community has some profoundly disabled people and they are always looking for new staff and always short staffed. The Carers are our lifeline and they are my Angels. If i win money or had heaps i would want them to have it. Oops that rant was silly- i didn't need to tell you any of that dear Lynette as you know!! and thankyou for having been a Carer. Respect :)
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                      • Paula J 395266
                        There are still businesses out there, including aged care where you can't work unless you are vaccinated. It's ridiculous because we know vaccines don't make much difference in catching or spreading the virus.
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                      • mary cPaula J 395266
                        God whats even worse is how the poor residents are locked up so to speak- in their tiny rooms for weeks-and not allowed out til they test negative.
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                      • lynda e 390007Christine M 323842
                        housekeeping laundry gardens, kitchen not every job is in contact with elderly. Full time part time casual all out there a jobs a job even if driving a forklift or stacking shelves.
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                      • lynda e 390007mary c
                        whose locked up? Thats awful. Yes homes go into lockdown which means no visitors for a set time but no one is locked in their rooms. Interesting how no tummy bugs arrived for 2 years, but when the visitors are back so are tummy bugs. Wash your hands people. Even more sad for those that never get family visits covid or not thats the real heart break.
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                      • Christine M 323842lynda e 390007
                        No Lynda, a job is not a job. You need regular permanent wages in order to support yourself.
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                    • Pat C 618241
                      Luckily for me I have never been unemployed in my working life. However, trying to return to work after children was quite scary. All the skills you thought you had were suddenly different and unless you caught up with the latest trends you were "on the shelf."
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                      • Glenys H 310155
                        It depends on how you interpret unemployed.... some people work casually and that is not any good if you are trying to budget, get a flat etc. Some people take any job that is offered because at least they are working and they try to gain skills to increase their chances of getting a better job. Some people will only work in cities and turn their noses up at work in rural settings, which is why you get backpackers and others brought in from overseas working on farms.
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                        • Paul B 522937
                          I’m retired now but if the pension was cut I’m sure i would find work again Just start my Plumbing business up again
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                          • Christine M 323842
                            Along the line of what Ksthy C said. The unemployment rate is a conjured up number. I was of the understanding that if you were working even 1 hour you were considered “ employed”. This rate only takes into consideration people who have registered as jobseekers to receive benefits. People who don’t qualify for benefits or who don’t want to be involved with Centrelink aren’t included, with the underemployed. The many jobs that suddenly became available are in the Casualised workforce that has been imposed upon us. Low wage, no security etc..
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                            • William P 589978
                              And overfull employment leads to increased greed and wage demands which fuels inflation.
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                              • Sonya F 68771
                                We have more jobs than unemployed we need more workers
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                                • Maria S 460525
                                  Have to agree with both John F and Greg B, you're spot on with your comments, couldn't have said it better myself...
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                                  • John F 984894
                                    I do think the government as well as everyone in society should be working hard to bring the unemployment rate down.
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                                    • Greg B 520364
                                      With the unemployment rate around 4%. If you want to work you can get a job. The 4% are mostly unemployable, and the Government will give them a living
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                                      • Gaza
                                        The media states that unemployment is at its lowest and that employers are trying to get staff. The unemployment rate is about 6%, These people are paid by the government to stay at home, I'm not saying all of them but a majority are routing the unemployment system.
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                                        • Lyn A.
                                          many statistics are slewed. As was once said 'Politicians use statistics like a drunk uses a lamp post" Any world event messes with employment, it's how each government reacts and what actually happens along the way that makes the difference to recovery. It is time that people realised government help/payment should only be Help up NOT Hand out. Children should not be conceived while being supported by government/tax payer/worker-Don't tell me beneficiaries pay tax as that was done to make it "look good' It is taking from Peter to give to Paul
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                                          • Paul J 94868
                                            I rate unemployment as pretty poor...
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                                            • TUBZY BOO
                                              RETIRED SORRY
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                                              • Kathy C 90112
                                                The figures are so dodgy though, If you work 4 hours or more you are not considered unemployed, you are not counted even though you receive benefits, its just one way the government fudge the numbers in order to look like they are doing a great job. Unemployment is absolutely not at a record low, you cant survive on 4 hours per week of work. Consider this tens of thousands of small businesses were forced to close, they are our countries highest employers, there are not record numbers of jobs available, secondly, the claim is there is a labour shortage, no there isnt their is 'you can not work if you choose not to undergo a medical procedure' which will neither prevent you from contracting or spreading this thing. Everyone needs to be able to provide for themselves, stop this BS and let those people return to work
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                                                • Daniel T 626103
                                                  I really don't have an opinion about this.
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                                                  • Helen L 750218
                                                    If there is a job shortage and another financial crash leading to a Depression, it'll be created by our corrupted Western governments to fast forward the roll out of the NWO.
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                                                    • Colin L 88398
                                                      So the question is what exactly? The main thing I have seen with jobs being pushed is they are either entry level or on a Commission Only Basis so either way you get minimum wage or nothing neither of which is really a job but it is slavery.
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                                                      • Christine d 926637
                                                        Plenty of jobs out there but hard to get workers government needs to reduce their payments
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                                                        • Kathy C 90112
                                                          there are not as many as you may have been told, tens of thousands small businesses were forced to close due to mandates, The honest truth is those that decline the shot are not allowed to get a job, so comply or else
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                                                        • Summer H 71954
                                                          Christine d You are kidding right? Have you seen how much unemployment benefits are? I don't think many would choose to be living well under the poverty line, barely able to afford basics and probably homeless. It's not a holiday! Try living on the same amount for awhile and then tell me it should be reduced.
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                                                      • Jenny L 591463
                                                        Yes unemployment maybe down but a lot of people are working 2 or 3 some times even 4 part time jobs just to make ends meat. Some people are skipping meals so their children can be fed or so their child can go on a school excursion or worse so they can pay the rent. Looks good on paper but ask some one that runs a soup kitchen or a charity food box there has never been more demand needed. With less charitable donations they are relying on supermarkets for their out of date stock and other charitable organisations to step up.
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                                                        • Wendy Q
                                                          things have improved in Australia, at present there are more jobs than people applying for them.
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                                                          • Erika T 980759
                                                            Now it looks like lots of people could lie their jobs next year.
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                                                            • Bugalugs
                                                              Here in Australia we have the patently absurd policy by the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) which says that if a person is employed for just ONE HOUR per WEEK they are considered to be "Fully Employed". Maybe those in charge at the ABS, the Politicians, CEOs and other who are being paid many Hundreds of Thousands per year - if not more as is the case with people such as the CEO of Australia's Commonwealth Bank on his multi-million dollar salary plus even more Millions in Bonuses can afford to live on just One Hours Pay but some poor schmuck getting just $27.50 for Just One Hours Work per Week most certainly can't. The entire system has been corrupted and corrupted for Purely Party Political reasons. It suits the Politicians to be able to claim that Unemployment under their policies is as low as 3.5%. It is beyond time that Government Agencies, such as the ABS, started to be Honest and told the TRUTH - a Truth which everyone already knows and that is that the Real Unemployment Rate is probably closer to 7% or more.
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                                                              • Sandra C 12043
                                                                We have businesses here that are willing to take on people and train them as they can't find staff. So anyone who says they can't find a job, doesn't want one. It may not be the job you want but you never know where it might lead. It would at least give you the self satisfaction of bringing in a wage and contributing instead of just taking.
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                                                                • GRAEME W 313058
                                                                  So, your point is?
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                                                                  • Luv ur
                                                                    People are lazy and don't want to go back to work or to the office. Shame on them. Let them be victims of covid, while people who will work with Covid precautions do what they need to do, instead of searching for every handout.
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                                                                    • Claude H
                                                                      There are jobs available here in NZ but as there is not much difference in the unemployment benefit & the wage people are opting not to work
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                                                                      • Luv ur
                                                                        Lack of integrity if they choose unemployment over earning. Shame on all in the world doing this.
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                                                                    • Tiffany L 690503
                                                                      The unemployment rate is increased and it is hard to find work
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                                                                      • Luv ur
                                                                        Bs, there are so many jobs it's unbelievable. Read the actual stats. The jobs are there.
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                                                                      • Paul R 936022Luv ur
                                                                        but do they expect you to have an untested jab to get the job like here in New Zealand
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                                                                      • ChosenPaul R 936022
                                                                        Do you also have fairies in your garden ??? ... just asking.
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                                                                      • Luv urChosen
                                                                        less than you do. You are a fairy.
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                                                                      • Linda B 907610
                                                                        What world are you living in? I badly need staff and can't get them! The benefits are too high! Nobody needs to work these days.
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                                                                      • ChosenLinda B 907610
                                                                        Are the benefits too high or are the wages too low . Ummmm
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                                                                    • lulu
                                                                      And they want pensioners like me back in the workforce
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                                                                      • boy blunder
                                                                        my son who is unemployed recently moved out, I said why are you moving he said I saw in the news that there were 2000 jobs in jeopardy and that he was moving there, apologies yet again can't resist dad jokes
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                                                                        • Terry S 676925
                                                                          Bad taste.
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                                                                      • galarina
                                                                        that is a sad state of affairs you dont know how things pan out hope and pray your job stays permanet
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                                                                        • SueM2
                                                                          And....?
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                                                                          • Carolina Z
                                                                            in an imperfect world, that see-saw of events shall always happen
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                                                                            • Sheree T
                                                                              I was made redundant in 2020 after being employed at the same company for 30 years and was a Production Supervisor, and I was unable to find work and probably due to my age I am still unable to find work. I still have another 2 years before I can get a pension.
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                                                                              • Luv ur
                                                                                2 years will fly by.
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                                                                              • Sheree TLuv ur
                                                                                I am hoping it will Gigi.
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                                                                              • Greg B 520364Sheree T
                                                                                Keep trying Sheree I was made redundant at 58 years young and got a job. Good luck
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                                                                              • Sheree TGreg B 520364
                                                                                Thanks Greg and that's fantastic you were able to get another job.
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                                                                            • kristian s 513441
                                                                              It's a lot of people is not working right now is because they might lose their jobs due to the pandemic or other reasons.
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                                                                              • 77ccusmc
                                                                                Unfortunately too many people got used to not working so they chose not to go back to work. Now with inflation it may not be economically feasible to go back to work
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                                                                                • Luv ur
                                                                                  It's economically feasible that we must go back to working. You got it backwards.
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                                                                                • 77ccusmcLuv ur
                                                                                  You are correct. Not only is it economically feasible but it lifts self esteem.
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                                                                              • allin
                                                                                yes
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                                                                                • Helen S 925961
                                                                                  I think a lot of people were spoilt during the pandemic, with being given handouts, and now the priveleged ones expect it to continue.
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                                                                                  • Luv ur
                                                                                    Yep, you said it right there. Easier to get a handout. Lazy jerks
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                                                                                • BLACK LIVES MATTER
                                                                                  One, the Great Depression did not end in the USA till 1955 (after McCarthyism ended) - because rationing did not end till 1955. Two, during the Great Depression - people wanted to work (in the USA). During the Covid19 (lockdowns and shutdowns) - people wanted to work - but on a livable minimum wage (the minimum wage in the USA is $7.25 an hour - which nobody can live on). Three, exactly what point are you trying to make?
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                                                                                  • Luv ur
                                                                                    Minimum wage in Az is $12.00. 7 bucks my ass.
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                                                                                  • BLACK LIVES MATTERLuv ur
                                                                                    The "FEDERAL" minimum wage is $7.25 (a new concept for you) and prevalent in most states. In other capitalistic country - the minimum wage (federal or national) is $20.00 dollars an hour (Like Australia and New Zealand). Is $12.00 an hour a livable wage - NO! Question: Can conservative republicans actually READ and have a thought?
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                                                                                  • Luv urBLACK LIVES MATTER
                                                                                    it sure is liveable if you aren't into worldly possessions. Which obviously you are. You are the perfect profile of a man no woman would ever want to be with, so maybe that's why you have never married. Every single comment you post is bitter, angry and against whatever anyone else says, no matter who they are. Common denominator in all this bullshit is black lives makes no sense. I'm done looking at anything you say to me, so keep wasting your breath bc no one cares!!!!!!
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                                                                                  • BLACK LIVES MATTERLuv ur
                                                                                    You don't care - ask the Louisville Police Department, KY - if they care about Black Lives Matter. Since four white members of the Louisville Police Department killed a Black Woman (and lied about that fact) are now under federal indictment!!!
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                                                                                  • ChosenLuv ur
                                                                                    To Gigi - What a nice reply ...... not.
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                                                                                  • Luv urChosen
                                                                                    stay out of my biz, you have no idea what this man feels about whites, so if your white, you're on the wrong side. You are seeing but a snippet of what black lives has said. So you definitely are no judge. Keep that Pinocchio nose out of others comments. You got enough of yourself to work on for many lifetimes.
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                                                                                  • ChosenLuv ur
                                                                                    That's nice. I like a laugh. Cup of tea ?
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                                                                                  • BLACK LIVES MATTERChosen
                                                                                    Hilarious!
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                                                                                  • allinLuv ur
                                                                                    i happen to know Walter, he is a very good person, you have no idea what anyone thinks, you just think up what you want and screw everyone else, maybe you should stay out of everyone's business, and stop all the hate you are spreading,, i am white/red, there are no sides unless you are racist,, is that your problem,, well whatever brain damage that you have,, and you think $7.50 an hour is a livable wage???,, yeah you a few corn flakes short of a box if you believe that,, but do have a nice day while you stew and try to come up with some shade to throw my way,,
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                                                                                  • Chosenallin
                                                                                    Good on ya mate.
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                                                                                  • allinChosen
                                                                                    i am not into bullies, and i like Walter, and i will defend him, i know he can handle his own crap, but i been seeing her spread her crap here for a while and just ignored it,, but there is a line, and she/it/he/etc crossed it,,
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                                                                                  • Moposallin
                                                                                    Well said allin, I agree with you, she does act like a racist and a bully. I too, know Walter can defend himself but enough is enough! Way too nasty with a huge chip on "its" shoulder.
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                                                                                  • BLACK LIVES MATTERallin
                                                                                    Never heard the expression "you are a few corn flakes short of being a box" - LIKE - will be using this expression in the future :-))!
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                                                                                  • allinBLACK LIVES MATTER
                                                                                    glad i could help,, it kind of stuck with me as soon as i heard it,, ;-))
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                                                                                  • Luv urBLACK LIVES MATTER
                                                                                    and I wouldn't bc I'm a nice person.
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                                                                                • Rhonda D 522615
                                                                                  Yes. No jobs, high unemployment, supply failures. A lot of similarities.
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                                                                                  • APB
                                                                                    good isn't it?
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                                                                                    • 'smee,SWQ!
                                                                                      Yes, Your statement in the main seems correct...is there any feedback in particular that you seek?
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                                                                                      • Tom S Qld
                                                                                        Maybe by comparing the 2 different eras? Have we learned anything from back then? Are we better placed now than we were back then? Is the stockmarket going to crash again? Bank failures? Is there a depression coming after this recession? Are we headed for another global conflict? Did the zero interest rates and quantitive easing set us up for failure? Have the health responses improved since last time? Are we now in a state of permanent pandemic, with the pandemic acting like influensa and coming out with new strains and variants every year?
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